I might not need it after all, I've fallen behind it seems on what been going on with T3D and am quite lost on what I should do. I haven't updated since the cmake thing has come into play and thought now would be a good time to upgrade to a newer version. The problem is, I can not get any newer versions to work. I get too many errors with cmake to get anything to run. I'm use to the old way, dunno what happened to change things, but I don't have time to re-learn how to get the engine running. I'm more of an artist than a programmer and I'm not going to put myself through this frustration again. If i'm going to put more time into learning yet another piece of software, I'll move to another engine. Thanks for offering to help anyway Duion, Best wishes!